![]() let's work out some sort of draft sentence to be included. If you respond "well duh", that means something is obvious enough that it should be included, right? Ok. It's relevant to the article that there is a policy against homosexual porn in a general "Hardcore" pornography sub-forum. It's relevant to the article, the comments you and the other person have made about the site's use of slurs like fags and faggot. Protonk ( talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC) I'm sorry that I was not responding to your post directly, but one above which I tried to respond to by inserting a comment after it but that was reverted so I posted below yours. I was remarking on how it seemed odd to describe the wikipedia reliable source guidance as "convenient" for 4chan. Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.103.116 ( talk) 03:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC) I didn't say anything about why we should care. Protonk ( talk) 03:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC) We should care because it's relevant to the Wikipedia article. Protonk ( talk) 03:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Note, the previous reply was in response to " How convenient for 4chan." by itself. Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.103.116 ( talk) 03:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC) That's an odd remark. The worst problem, though, is the supposedly random permanent banning. Nonetheless, the 4chan FAQ clearly shows that it doesn't allow anything but heterosexual pornography in its "hardcore" section, which is anti-gay bias that can be noted right now. Ghost Stalker ( Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 03:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC) How convenient for 4chan. Besides, who really cares? If you dont like 4chan, you dont have to go there. What did you really expect from a group whose identifying term among groups is +fag, for exam ple: Eurofag, Ausfag, Britfag, etc. Also, homophobia goes with the territory when people can say things with no fear of those things being traced back to them due to anonymity. WP:RS say that sources have to be third party and published. Protonk ( talk) 03:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC) (edit conflict)It wouldnt. If a magazine like wired or a journal like the Journal of Homosexuality covered the subject, it would count. A reliable source is usually one published by a third party that engages in some form of editorial control, selection and (although not always) fact checking. ![]() Protonk ( talk) 03:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Would it help if I post the PDF I saved of the banning notice on a website, the one that says I'm permanently banned with no reason given? Would that constitute "reliable"? -Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.103.116 ( talk) 03:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC) No. While the article doesn't exactly detail how awful /b/ appears to the uninitiated, it makes a fist of it. To be fair, 4chan is homophobic, racist, sexist and offensive in the extreme. The article will make a note of it as soon as a reliable source makes a note of it. "You have been permanently banned from all boards for the following reason: No reason available" Permanently banning gay men without providing a reason and a clearly expressed anti-gay policy is abusive behavior. Protonk ( talk) 02:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Then the article should make note of this. I would have figured they had a bias against gay men because they call everyone they don't like a faggot. If anyone is surprised by what I've written, note that the "hardcore" board, which should encompass both heterosexual and homosexual pornography given its general name, demands only heterosexual content according to 4chan's FAQ which says "Straight (male/female) pornography only." 4chan also promises that anyone who complains about their policies publicly will by banned. I would like to see 4chan publicly state that it has this anti-gay policy, instead of hiding behind "random" banning. I have noticed that the article has been scrubbed of the "fags" references, which is nice to see, but the site's philosophy is still clearly one that does not allow full participation by gay and bisexual men. The promise of "random" banning is a smokescreen. Posting images of male pornography involving real men results in banning from the "random" board. ![]() Only one board is devoted to gay male images and they must be softcore yaoi illustrations, which is a niche that mainly appeals to heterosexual women. 4chan has several boards devoted to heterosexual pornography, including "Hardcore", "Sexy Beautiful Women", and "Yuri".
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